Atlas City Project

This is a new section I have added to the manual. I teach all of these practices within the curriculum and if anyone's interested, I can teach any of you these practices whenever you wish to learn them further. Here is the page below:

www.atlasinitiativegroup.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spirituality_education#spiritual_education_curriculum

Hello Brad! I hope you do not mind if a write here, thanks you da man.

As destiny would have it I woke up to find you have posted this, is not the game of life fun to play?(do you remember playing it?) Just take a few minutes and LISTEN to what you good people are trying to do. You are trying to unite the entire planet, every single person in the world to build ; A NEW CITY. Doesnt that sound like something right out of a bible?

Yet here we are saying what some of us say,without even knowing what we are saying. There is always good, better, and best ways to say something. We should try and put the bad thoughts out of our mind, For the journey we are taking will be a pareless journey indeed. Most of the people who came here will not know you from Adam. So from now on we must treat others like we would want to be treated. I know you heard that from your parents. Some parents also say, "dont do as i do, do what i say!"

All humanity done, was plant an idea into the matrix. You have not been listening to what you have been reading, or maybe you have. Yes just like if you plant a apple seed you will grow an apple tree. If we plant great ideas, We will grow great individuals. Did you know we were approaching a fifty percent rate of people that are married and un married. Its just better to live with someone, than it is to make a commitment. Wouldn't you say? Sure we can try the blame game. I noticed when I point a finger I have three point right back at me. The things that usually piss us off the most are usually the things we do.(IDK) One thing is for certain, dont blame ourselves. Ask children today who inspires them spiritually. Who reminds them of god? Now this is what Diane Cain said yesterday on the radio, "no one reminds the children of god." Does this mean there are no good people in the world, Of course not!" With everything you know about life, you can not say with certainty that there is a supreme or there is not a supreme being. AH yes you can follow your heart!

So there are always rules to every game you have played. The bible is filled with great philosophy, and im sure there are some very important rules in the HOLY BIBLE. I cant say which rules are the ones for you, but you can. So do you have free will? You can say weather or not you abide by them. Im not trying to tell you anything. I can only tell you what i know. So dont go and say I said we must abide by the bible. I just told you,"YOU HAVE FREE WILL, OR DO YOU." So with that in mind I want you to ask yourself,"WHO AM I". Before you answer listen to Allen Watts. He is very inspiring! Thanks for listening!

you know i find that the metaphysical is an important part in everyone's daily lives however i would insist, of course that anyone and everyone has their spiritual views and should keep them. Unity is a great idea and i love it but we should also realize the need of the individual as well both spiritually and mentally. So those who wish to participate can and hopefully will however, ladies and gentlemen keep you mind wide open.

WTF?, seriously, WTF?

The new society which we're supposed to be trying to bring about, namely a RBE, implies a lot of things, one of them is gradually leaving behind our superstitions and be more scientifically minded, Remember?: "Applying the scientific method to social issues."

So, when I read that our "spiritual education" (whatever that means) curriculum, may be based on such proposal (www.atlasinitiativegroup.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spirituality_education#spiritual_education_curriculum), my first reaction was to think that it was a joke, or bandalism, then I realized that it wasn't, otherwise it would have been removed since it's been two weeks since it was posted. That made sad, to think that the people advocating for change dare to propose such curriculum, which has almost no scientific basis.

Please note that I'm not saying that such phenomena doesn't exist, there may be reports about it, and I know that there are even experiments in which psy phenomena had been measured (www.deanradin.com/).

I know very little about Akashic records, psy, or other paranormal phenomena, but what I do know is that our "spiritual education" could better off without them. I think they should be studied but I'm certain it would be contradictory to take as facts phenomena with so little evidence.

My complaining stops here .... now to the proposals:

We should start simple, with the facts that can be shown to be true via the scientific method. I know there may be things that we regard as being true even though we have no evidence to prove them. Evidence is our common ground.

Science, because of the way it is developed is under an intensive process of scrutiny, every fact must be tested repeatedly to ensure the results are consistent, that's what can convince someone that something is true.

For example, if a person gets sick/hurt and his "spiritual education" has tought him that he can be healed by means of meditation, he may dismiss medical attention. The possible outcomes are:

He meditates and gets sicker/dies.
He meditates and gets better.
He sees a doctor and gets better.
He sees a doctor and gets worse/dies.

Each one has a probability, and furthermore we have statistics about them, that is, evidence. Almost everyone knows that he has highest probability of getting better by seeing a doctor.

Now lets pretend this person mutilates his arm in an accident and he is conviced that he can heal it by meditating, so he medidates and after a while he dies since we know that arms don't grow back, neither meditation can stop the bleeding.

Of course this is an extreme example but it is a perfect example of what can happen when we take too seriously things that we don't have enough evidence to prove true.

There are lots of people who like me, are more inclined to believe that secular education has priority over any kind of "spiritual education", since we have enough evidence to prove true the former.

This goes along the lines of something that I have already commented about here (The title of the buzz is Viva la resolution): www.google.com/profiles/earth2movie

Well, finally I'd like to say that a philosophy that seems a good fit for a new society under a RBE would be Secular Humanism (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism) but I'm open for other suggestions as long as they are based on scientific knoledge.

This city will have a spiritual center and it is founded in science and consciousness. Who are you? You are not merely flesh and bone, you are spirit and it is that self who can do more to heal your soul than any doctor. A doctor will not heal you when you lose someone you love. The power of human consciousness and intention guides this effort with a higher power you will feel only by being spiritually centered. You are free to join the New Zealand Project who is taking a completely non-spiritual atheistic approach to RBE. RBE does not dictate, nor should it dictate, a absence in spiritual connection to each other and all that is living on Earth!

Of course we will have the best medical doctors on Earth, but we will not ignore the soul that requires healing and health also. There is a huge scientific basis for this approach. A few facts:

An atom is 99.999% space, we are virtually nothing, we appear to be solid in this mortal realm, in reality we are far from it. Nothing exists in the Universe accept for consciousness, there is an equality between matter and anti-matter that is the equivalent of canceling each other out, the same is true of energy, positive and negative effectively cancel each other out in the Universe as a testimony that consciousness is the creator as there is truly nothing, but what is perceived by spiritual consciousness.

There is much more but you must seek out the spiritual or you will never understand it. For beginners:

We are all cells in a common organism... we must evolve to work together in ways never before realized by humanity. Atlas City is the realization of that progess and evolution.

Watch this series - on youtube:

I have a strong feeling that bringing such intense spiritual discussion into this group is going to hurt us now as well as in the long run.

1. it is going to push alot of members as well as new people away

2. it gives off an unprofessional attitude/mindset

just my thoughts guys. not trying to attack any of your personal beliefs, its just not going to work. people need to keep their religious/spiritual beliefs to themselves since it is an unmeasurable personal opinion on the existence of these phenomenon

the only way to be adult about it is to be adult about it.

the adult way is to see whats meaningful and what isn't.

Axiomatic analysis using formal conversational logic.

Theres a self defeating way and an opening way to discuss this;

one limits growth by making an enemy of religions...

the other increases growth potential by defining religions as clients.

i am walking RBEF through this.. come on over and look...

Who am I? I don't know the whole answer to that, but I can tell you something
"I don't know" is a more honest answer than taking for granted that
we are "spirit" (whatever that means to you). Saying something is so
doesn't make it true.

The whole point of taking science as the tool to bring about
a better world is avoiding the use of ambiguous concepts such as "spirit",
in the decision making process. On the other hand we could create a precise
definition of "spirit" so we can really talk about it. It's not enough to
say "we are more than just energy".

Taking a completely non-spiritual atheistic approach to anything doesn't
conflict the fact that we're all connected since we're all made of the same
stuff and live in the same universe. How can you tell it is a spiritual connection?
Isn't it just a connection that we don't understand well yet? Why to use
misleading adjectives so we feel better about our ignorance about the origin
of such connection?

Furthermore, how come the cancelling out of positive and negative energy implies
that conciousness is the creator of anything? Not being concious of something
doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Remember the falling tree in the forest?

On the other hand, couldn't we refer to it just as Counciousness? Is it necessary
to add the adjective "Spiritual"?

As far I understand it, spiritual conciousness requires that you not investigate in
order to know reality, as opposed to the inquisitive nature of science. I still
can't figure out how to know more about something without investigating it? Can you?

About your videos, the only thing I can say about them is that they are misunderstanding how evolution works.
Evolution doesn't work by shear luck, it is a cumulative process.
Furthermore, ID has the pitfall of "Everything has a cause/creator, but there must be a uncaused/uncreated cause/creator". Or "Who designed the designer?"

You can get nowhere by saying "There must be an intelligent designer", because you no longer need to investigate and you can justify it by saying just that. On the other hand if you question whether or not there is a designer without any preconceptions you may get closer to the truth.

Please check out this series (Growing up in the universe) that explain in very elementary terms how evolution works: richarddawkins.net/videos/3586-growing-up-in-the-universe-now-on-youtube

Also, there are many theories, none of them proved yet about the origin of the first of the first forms of life. One that looks particularly promising is one that's called the RNA world, check it out here: exploringorigins.org/rna.html

all of those points are well and good but still inside of the hamster wheel.

again, what is meaningful here is access to altered states of consciousness.

You can be religious and call that spirituality or you can be an atheist and call it self hypnosis. I don't care.

Either you have real access, or you don't.

Anybody saying anything about it unless they can obtain a waking theta condition and use it- is talking in circles about things that they can have no personal experience of.

So you're saying we should all have an epiphany before being able to bring about change? That's just what religions ask.

This is my last post here since the only sincere answer to your post is: What are you talking about? I didn't understand a single word about your "altered states of consciousness" stuff, and that's my point we should start off with stuff we all have in common, not supernatural or esoteric stuff some believe and some not, science is the way.

Anyway, as I have said before, it's ok to have more than one initiative willing to implement a RBE, that way we can learn from the mistakes of others.

Good luck with your project, unfortunately your approach it is too religulous for me.

tyomero wrote:


No, I'm saying that unless you have access to waking theta states of consciousness religious symbols are nothing more than symbols and are maps
to a realm you can't get to.



I'm sorry, however, I am frankly presenting the adult science facts and pov on this issue and trying to demonstrate that rather than a long silly argument happening in front of me. You not understanding is a choice and
you reporting it might be considered an ad hominem. Nothing i have said
is unclear, but you may wish to actually look up some terms instead of staying willfully ignorant.






Yes, I'm not proposing anything supernatural and the only reason why its esoteric is its science. Science which most people don't know about and the
kind that religions have always worried might ruin them forever.

Which, such information would, but, your so busy being mean and hateful and rude and manipulative and trying to exercise your "exit strategy" manipulation to get us to passively agressively roll over to seeing things
your way that you have missed entirely that I'm a scientist.

And we are on the same team. And this is how the argument ends wisely.



Your approach is willfull ignorance. My approach is science and fact based.
My approach allows us to quit fighting each other on team atheist and team religion sides. Your approach is your attempt to try to manipulate people into giving things to you your way by using blackmail- "I'll leave if you don't do it my way."

Please grow up and pay attention.

I am an atheist ; AND I figured out how to talk with God.
Until you can claim the second part without lying, all you are doing is
participating in a team sport VS game designed for divide and conquer of the proles.

Great. Score one for team "atheist". Note, thats not real Atheism, its "atheism" inside of the mental cage of the propaganda wars.

Back to being adults. Real atheism studies religions, it doesn't mock them.