Atlas City Project

in the chat, Nanos brought up a critical issue for many would be start up communities, which is that what often happens is that 50 men start a community and then they can't work the problem of how to get the women there or involved.

I have some answers to this problem.

1. Make sure that the aesthetics of the designs are strong for female instincts. This means cozy, lots of room, big kitchens, and frankly a lot of color and art.

2. Hot water and Steam. Many women spend a lot of time and energy linking to yang energy such as sun light or hot tubs. As a group on the whole, men might think of women as being significantly more interested in hot tubs and steam rooms and good sun bathing sites for this reason.

3. Education. I can't emphasize this one enough. Most people don't want to take the time to get more educated on any given subject, most people seem to be happy with knowing what they know and otherwise having opinions.

Whereas men are attracted to big tits, women are attracted to sophisticated brains with competence in many areas and no obviously lacking large holes in the educational matrix. Being attractive to women is less about being physically attractive and more about being emotionally and mentally attractive and the best way to accomplish this is to invest as a community in on going education efforts, particularly in psychology, diplomacy, and communication.

4. Recreation. A lot of these would be start up communes expect everybody to work 70 hours a week to build the place. Considering that half the impetus for doing this is escaping the 60 and 70 hour work week, thats not likely to attract women when they could probably find men who would be fine allowing them not to work at all.

The key to success on this front is to have a lot of fun activities and community get togethers, and to give as much time and energy to recreation and socializing as is given to work.

> women are attracted to sophisticated brains with competence in
> many areas

I might rather have to disagree there

I would suggest women are on the whole attracted to men with money (Income greater than US $100k a year.), and/or who are physically strong, brainpower doesn't necessarily come into it..

Its one of the reasons I had pondered something like a fat body content limit, to try and avoid a community of obese men who cannot attract women, though it would appear legally difficult to enforce this kind of rule..

I fear this issue will not be a particuarly easy one to solve.

Nanos wrote:


My mother studied gender issues and was a rabid feminist.

What you are suggesting is that women are by and large consumerist whores.
This has been sold to you and you believe it and thats why people will go to all consumerist lengths to buy stuff and try to play the consumerist game for women.

The actual truth is different. Women by and large, just like men, feel at odds with a world which more or less is rigged against them in brutal ways.
The advantage men have in selling this truth to women is that the women have been living the second gender society victim their whole lives; they know it on an even deeper level.

Further more, to be even more exacting, the female ego and instincts are more aligned via their hormones to the mammalian instincts and the mammalian modalities of relating, whereas testosterone gives precedence to
reptile brain instincts.

Women are frighteningly DEEPER than men in general, this is the grand problem and mystery of the sexes and the uncomfortable truth that sexism as it currently exists would like to avoid. Women are more interested in and better at guaging emotions, empathy, communication, collaboration, diplomacy, compromise, and working together to find common goals and boundaries and visions than men are.

In short, men are compelled by their instincts to have intractable ignorant opinions and fight over them like rutting Goats.

Women on the other hand are compelled by their instincts to actually listen and actually communicate.

You wonder why there are few women involved. You will know that we have
transcended a large part of social insanity if they EVER arrive en masse.
The reason why is that this is still a boys club, by definition, by the way that people relate and the way the group psychology works.

Women don't try in such environments because they seldom feel that they are valued or listened to and they aren't up to or interested in arguing or locking horns about what directions to take things.

You are right that it is a very coomplicated problem but I did give you the answer.

To make up for the difference, the best thing that any male can do is go get the knowledge that empowers them to work psychologically without getting their egos involved.

You and anybody else may think it couldn't be that simple or couldn't be that hard, but that is the magic formula; period.

Women experience male ego energy like we might experience say female gossip
energy.

It doesn't make them feel included or look inviting to them to join into.

To reverse it, change the way and manner and form in which we communicate and work problems a notch upward; and then suddenly women will be crawling out of the woodwork because that is so rare to find and so what they are craving.

The true core truth of making money is to find a need and meet it.

I have now given you a billion dollar truth.






physically strong was a survival trait important hundreds of years ago.

Yes they find that sexy, no, it isn't what makes up their minds for having relationships in general.



The true core difference between men and women in terms of brain wiring is
that the male ego is reptile brain run and the female brain is mammlian brain run. Its the same four brodmanns brain areas that do the ego and verbal language in both cases, but the dominant interaction with instincts bubbling out is either to one direction or the other and this usually is determined by gender.

However not in all cases is it determined by gender and some autistics and aspies in essence have ego-systems based on different brodmann brain areas having different forms of ego interactions.




A physical labor minimum requirement of ten hours per week should either keep out the fatties and the lazy or get most of them into shape.

This is both legal and needful for any communities survival.

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it wasn't, but i had a lot of starting info and i worked the problem hard for quite a while.

> My mother studied gender issues and was a rabid feminist.
>
> This has been sold to you and you believe it a

I might say that it is you that has been sold a view

I was brought up as one might say by a feminist, and early on in my life was very much for equal rights for women and such, it was only through personal experience and listening to both men and women telling me their experiences over the years that I came to change my mind about various aspects and now hold the view that I do about women being more interested in money/resources than anything meaningful about a guys character.

I imagine though we can probably come up with some way to test our relative theories in a controlled environment (I suggest a MMORPG myself.) to see which elements are more true than others.


> You wonder why there are few women involved.

My understanding there is generally because women like men to do all the work first and then they can arrive later on to take advantage of it.


> change the way and manner and form in which we communicate
> and work problems a notch upward; and then suddenly women will
> be crawling out of the woodwork

I'm willing to give that a go and see the results.


> A physical labor minimum requirement of ten hours per week

Whilst I would agree thats a good idea, I would worry what you would do with people who work, get injured, or pretend their injury is worse than it really is so as to avoid work. This is an epidemic type state I've seen in my own country as large segments of the workforce can end up off work due to illness that isn't really that bad.


> i worked the problem hard for quite a while.

It is a joy to be working with someone who has put a lot of effort into these kind of things.

I'm interested to know how much you have tested your theories ? (Thats one of the things I do, test as much as I can in the real world to see what really works and what doesn't.)

thats half of what i ask. the other half is that you continue to work the problem along the lines i am trying to communicate.

Just because i said e= mc squared doesn't mean the joes average will get it
until after you and i chat. lol


> A physical labor minimum requirement of ten hours per week


Maslow and pavlov. Aside from that, these are very important high order questions, fer sure, and they relate to social networking in interesting ways.

The first thing you need to do is come to peace with 99 percent of the women who have no interest in us and then see past them to the 1 percent that do.

All of your complaints then just become observations about problem complexity and the problem of advertising to the world our inherent "beautiful minds".



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I have a very long list of bragging rights depending on whose wanting to impress whom how.

Suffice it to say being an aspie whom has perfect pitch and plays the flute and clarinet and dances and senses subtle energy and does massages and subtle body work starts to stack up for advantages what with the gender politics and the communication skills.

And then I arrive at the place of being able to easily manufacture those
living fantasies and then in turn generally find them to be a lot less than
one imagines and hopes for back in the scene drawing room.

The long and the short of it is I am PAN. And I know how to court women.
the paradox is that right action isn't courting women all the time, its
right action. As with a lot of things in life, the strange paradox is that this is one of those things that best takes care of itself by best taking care of the other things that are simple and some times not obvious to double thinkers and zombies.

Good relationships rely on good communication skills. What if this is about teaching each other a new modality for communication?

Lets go visual and graphic eh?


stalking down muggle women is easy. attracting mage women as a creepy sex fiend is impossible.

who can see right through whom?

the harshest truth about the brain gender difference is that most women can see right through most male ego trips.

> The first thing you need to do is come to peace with 99 percent of
> the women who have no interest in us and then see past them to the
> 1 percent that do.

A fair enough comment.

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It's ok. If I'm there women will follow