Atlas City Project

Definitions:
Allocation- To set apart for a special purpose; designate
Resources- Something that can be used for support or help

After I further reviewed Brad's post If we go this path - The success timeline and also my latest call between Brett, TimeWarrior and I, I have come to the following conclusions:

First off, I must say, we need to pick up the pace. I understand that the majority, if not all of everyone here, has a job. Some here even have school and a job, or just school period (like me). Being so busy leaves little time for Atlas Initiative Group and frankly I know some people wouldn't want to hop on this forum after work, they'd rather sit down and relax. You think I really want to program after school? Sure, its fun, but wouldn't you think I'd rather want to play Oblivion or Modern Warfare 2?(..actually no) We need to actually work. Its depressing to see such little progress being done lately through the ACP Manual and even on the forums. Do you really expect us to even have a RBE city by 2012 if we keep up this pace? I think not.

My motto I like to live by is "We must become the change we want to see in the world." Its of course a very popular quote, and the fact is thats understandable, because the quote has so much meaning and is just purely awesome . I try to live by the quote by doing as much for the RBE Movement as I can, and of course most of you know that most of that stuff is on the I.T. side. I'd love for everyone, no matter what your experience is, or no matter what you have knowledge in, contribute it!

According to Brad and his timeline, he states the following:


He stated prior to the Timeline 2012-2015 that this timeline will only be accurate if we stay at the pace we are going, which in present tense would be stay at the pace that we were at. Without a stable pace and continuous efforts, we will begin to slow down to the point where this group dies out. I'm sorry to be so upfront about this, but we have to come to terms with it.

So far, I have seen some progress be made, but wouldn't we all want to see a city up even before 2012? I would love a city up before I even graduate out of high school! No need for another person to feed the monetary system and the government .

I recently talk to Brett and Dave via a conference call. We all agree that we must have something up and running before the end of 2012, or in my opinion this project should be deemed, in SourceForge terms, inactive.

We need to work and start promoting Atlas Initiative Group. I remember seeing in the video that Rob posted (of the March meeting) people folding pamphlets, are you guys planning on spreading those out?

Secondly, we need to begin the allocation of resources. It honestly doesn't matter what we gather up, its just the fact that we are gathering up resources. Resources can be anything, ranging from toilet paper to thousand dollar computers, it just doesn't matter. Anything we don't need we can sell off to pawn shops for money for Atlas Initiative Group. Anything that we think we will need for Atlas City we can possibly gather up in a location (maybe someone is willing to donate some space or open up a cheap shed). Once I get a job, I'm going to be offering free shipment of any resources to the shed or any location for the allocation of resources, so anyone can send resources no matter what the cost is. I will also then rent a small space here also as a place for "MidWest" allocation of resources. Computers, any computers as a matter of fact, could be donated or scrapped for parts. I am in dire need of old, crappy laptops, so even if you have one from the 1980s, I'd love it!

Lastly, I'd like to thank the following people for their constant contributions to Atlas Initiative Group (this is in no particular order):

1. TimeWarrior
2. EdenPrime
3. bnaur
4. omk
5. Brad Johnson
6. Rob Bell

I know for a fact that without the efforts of all of you, this project would be much slower than it is now...which would be, in my opinion, as fast as a snail!

I appreciate your sentiment, though as far as statements where you stated I agreed on something and exactly how I agreed -- I must make a few slight adjustments

01) I am still "on the fence" a bit about 2012, as I explained. As much as Brett and I agreed upon within the topic -- there are also some things him and I disagreed on as well. I think that regardless of what happens -- 2012 will be for each of us personally, whatever we make it into for ourselves. I do not see it as anything to "fear" while at the same time I feel it does merit serious concerns. In the words of Marshall Masters (paraphrased): "you can either see it as happening to you, as you happening to it or as you being a part of it". The third option of course being the correct one. It is our mindset of being separate from nature that has gotten the human race into a boatload of trouble to begin with.

02) I have told you many, many, many times that when you rush -- you break more than you fix. You've got to have some patience. It would be nice to see a city up before the end of 2012 but at this stage this is not very practical. I can also tell you that if you want Atlas being up before 2012 comes to a close to become practical -- then you can't be in a huge rush about it otherwise you will miss the opportunities which might make all of that possible. People who are impatiently rushing are so amazingly busy doing so that all of the opportunities that practically jump out and scream at them are invisible to them; thus allowing themselves to sabotage their goals. I think you need to learn a bit about detachment



Insisting that everyone "hurry up" is exactly what will slow people down. Like you said, you must become the change you wish to create. So if you want others to follow your example then have patience and set the example. When you tell people "you need to be more productive" or "we need to pick up the pace" then you are not becoming the change you wish to create. You are focusing on lack and scarcity and the universe only manifests whats in your focus. Bob Proctor on The Secret said "it doesn't matter if you want to get out of debt or get into debt, if you're thinking debt then debt is what will show up!" .... or as I like to say: "when you shit in a bucket, you have a bucket of shit. so if you don't want a bucket of shit, then stop shitting in the bucket!"

You've been shitting in the bucket a little bit Josh and then sitting there wondering where the stink is coming from

This all goes right into play with the next item on my list and it is one of the biggest problems the human race as a whole has:

03) Ego.



Also see Kymatica and Esoteric Agenda: atlasinitiativegroup.org/forums/atlas-initiative-group/2056-esoteric-agenda-and-kymatica-highly-recommended.html

There has been a massive "ego problem" here on Atlas and that was the primary focus of the conference call with Bret. In fact, as I go to retrieve the Kymatica and Esoteric Agenda link above; I noticed that Jinx was so infuriated that I posted a link to the Interview with the creator of both of those documentaries -- that he unpinned what I had up there, completely re-did the posts and even screwed up the mention of "part 2" as the videos are not inserted in there properly and all you see is the code but not the vids themselves.

This is the sort of shit that is a problem. Not to mention the removal of your Admin Status simply because you voiced an opinion he didn't like, the slander that Rob lashed out towards me in your direction, refusing to allow me to contribute to Atlas as per my qualifications and then ending off with some very unkind patronizing remarks which even though they were directed to you and not me -- I still felt slightly offended which is ironic, because the stuff said to / about me only makes me laugh. He had to slander you for me to become mildly offended! *rofl*

Now I'm not mentioning all of this to start any sort of public pissing matches here. I am simply saying that whether it is Rob Bell or anyone else -- you, me, brett, or anyone -- period -- these sorts of displays of "oh yeah! well i'll show that fucker!" sentiment only grinds productivity to a halt, encourages animosity between atlas members, creates conflict and just turns everything to crap.

As Bret said "we're all human. there is bound to be personality conflicts from time to time. we all need to get past these things and still work together for the greater good of atlas. we should all agree to disagree. there is no reason at all that anyone should be fighting" and I fully agree with Bret and I commend him for his wisdom when we spoke of these issues on that conference call.

I also feel that Rob is entitled to his opinions and he does not owe anyone any sort of apology. If he wants to dislike me, thats cool. I don't exactly have fond sentiment for him, either. I am however more than willing to agree to disagree, put all of that aside, work together with everyone here in the spirit of cooperation and get things done which need to be done.

Now all of these concepts go for every single person here. Especially as this place gets bigger -- there will be more than just a few of you who will run into other Atlas Members who you do not like because of personality differences. It will be hard to resist the urge to hit them in the face with a hammer but please -- thats all just ego seeing "differences" as "bad" instead of seeing "differences" as merely being "uniqueness".

We are not dogs and cats. We have an advanced frontal lobe in our brain. I think that we need to face differences with patience and tolerance, face the unknown as an awesome adventure, celebrate being wrong because it opens the door to new knowledge, be happy when we make mistakes because this gives us opportunities to learn, see ideas existing in parallel with each other and not in conflict or competition with each other (this will be one of the keys to the Atlas Open Source Development Team), to treat others as we would wish to be treated, to respect the views of others even when we disagree and to not take a difference of an opinion as an attack on your views and well -- the list goes on.

Really, it all just goes back to the Gandhi quote you mentioned earlier: "be the change you wish to create in the world".



So no matter what anyone else does or says, I am going to be the person I choose to be. Regardless of how unkind Rob is to me, I will remain kind to him. No matter how much you say "we need to hurry up!" I will continue to be patient and remind you of patience. When I am wrong, I'll admit it. When I unintentionally offend, I'll apologize. When I make a mistake I'll learn from it and chances are I'll laugh at myself for being so stupid. When I don't know, I'll ask rather than assume. When I'm wrong, I will be happy for the new open door to even more knowledge. When I paradigm shift, I'll feel liberated instead of apprehensive. I'll be confident and not fearful. There is only doing, not trying. I will trust myself so that I may have faith in my friends. I will not see problems as problems, but rather: opportunities. When anyone asks, I'll do my best to answer. When I don't know, I'll admit it. I don't owe you any explanation -- but I am more than happy to freely give you one as I enjoy sharing information and I think freedom of information and expression should never be taken for granted Its not about owing anyone anything. Its about doing what you believe is right.

On that note, I'll end this with "A Letter From God"

Please quote me where I say we need to rush through things, I never said that. I merely said that we need to pick up the pace, from going absolutely nowhere to actually going somewhere.

Read my reply above

Never said we should hurry up, merely pick up the pace. There is hardly any work going on, if we want to get the city up we have to work towards it.

Yes, thank you mr. Rob Bell's f***ing ego. Thank you. I actually watch some of it, then realized that he screwed up on some of the videos and I couldn't play them. If I actually had the admin status, unfortunately Rob had to act like an immature punk and remove me in a rage and pissy fit, I would've gone in and fixed it. Now as far as him lashing out against you, I say "no comment". Rob knows that I don't hate him, I merely dislike his ego, which he seems to be unable to get passed. You have way more qualifications and deserve to me an administrator. He knows nothing about you and his arguments are unfounded.

Are you sure? Maybe I'm a reptilian

But he shouldn't say "I owe you no explanation!" wow Rob, thats a great mentality!

Reminder for you and I to have a meeting tonight in regard to Software Specification files and AOSDT Mission Statement.

Please, stop misquoting me, I never said "we need to hurry up", I merely said "we need to pick up the pace". There is a difference, hurrying up obviously leads to mistakes, however allowing ourselves to make the pace go from "going absolutely nowhere" to "going somewhere" doesn't. I don't owe you any explanation -- but I am more than happy to freely give you one as I enjoy sharing information and I think freedom of information and expression should never be taken for granted Its not about owing anyone anything. Its about doing what you believe is right.

Came across that song a while back, Dan Le Sac Vs. Scroobius Pip is awesome, I introduced Sonja to them. I like their song Magician's Assistant and Beat that My Heart Skipped.

So what is your opinion on the whole part I made about the beginning of the allocation of resources?

My "hurry up" statements are paraphrases of your sentiment when we chat / skype about things. You don't need to literally say "hurry up" to be in a "mode of rushing" and Sonja is my witness here too so don't try to deny it I was merely trying to be "shorter winded" as to avoid going into volumes of ranting on it. Just because I'm long winded doesn't mean I don't actively practice to keep things shorter!

As for Rob -- you damn near quoted the e-mail i sent to Bret about the "admin issues" in regards to "Rob removing / denying" etc... and you don't even know about the e-mail much less read it! Great synchronicity! *thumbs up*

I am sure both of us have made it clear to all that we don't hate Rob and are not trying to wipe the walls with his name. We just wish to see a problem fixed, is all.

If Rob could get passed his ego I'd even be open to being FRIENDS with him if he'd only just chill out and respect that differences of opinion doesn't make the other person "unstable or untrustworthy". I hold no grudges. I don't hate him and am not trying to "send him packing" or "make him feel unwanted" here. Or whatever it was he "toddlered off" in a reply e-mail to you.

Lets also look on the bright side -- he told me he thinks him and I have crossed paths in order for me to teach him patience and compassion. Well, one must learn humility first before the other two and he's getting a sizable dose of that.

When you create your own reality -- the universe tends to remove elements which are blocking off the creation of that reality. When they are elements you are emotionally attached to -- it can sometimes feel like you're having your spleen ripped out with a fork. But -- thats merely a reaction of the human ego.

I do wish Rob the best of luck with this paradigm shift and I hope he makes it through successfully. I think if he could just relax that he could work some amazing magic here on Atlas. I hope he gets that opportunity.

As for my opinion on what you said i thought my implications were obvious. I agree. I was merely adding detail to a few things And trying to not be so long winded with others!

As for you not being human, you're right. Since when are teenagers from this planet anyways, kiddo! Hehehehe (just kidding, of course!)

So I take it nobody is going to comment in regards to a gigantic part that seems to be missed:

These topics have been of great debate for the past few months. One large problem we are still facing is the damn bureaucratic paperwork. This has greatly halted our progress as we still can't plan certain events and gain donations as planned at the beginning of the year. A large number of us that use to be on the forums a good portion of the day are taking breaks due to this and other circumstances.

The participation that I have been mainly concerned about in the past, and that has been greatly lacking, is the research and city concept sections. I've posted countless research studies and interesting facts that can be used in the city (including useful links and videos) to the research forums. Many were from back when we were still using the Zeitgeist forum so I tried to summarize and transfer our useful concepts over, but it doesn't seem to have much quality tech/studies added to it in recent time.

I know Brad had made some interesting concept drawings, and I've tried as well. Josh made some great interior concepts for us to see. Our committee coordinators are just not stepping up and progressing the sections as they should be. Most of the forum is so random and about everyone's feelings and random talks (not that that's not allowed or even negative) that very few threads currently active are furthering the movement at all.

I do like the videos, archives, meetings and other useful and informative links to progress the city concepts, but there is still a lot more that can be done. We have facebook, links to countless participating friendly sites, hell I even post constant updates and meeting information on my personal facebook account. We still need a meetup group and possibly a twitter (or other social networking) group, but as mentioned many of us are strapped on time at the moment. We can worry more later I suppose. It will be more necessary when we are starting to collect donations.

There are many other things I could say, but let's summarize it as this for now. While we have work, school and personal obligations there will always be a change-of-seasons, so to speak, of our participation. Let's not worry too much about the participation, but concentrating the participation on more useful topics. Let's work on concept are to attract people to the movement. Let's work on research concepts to make each building and each square foot of land as self sustaining and productive as possible. I guarentee that things will change when the government stops tugging us around with this paperwork.

And Josh, good job so far on the Venus OS

ChaseD702 wrote:

It would be great if someone could actually respond to my request to be the AOSDT Organizer, I mean, its only been sitting in the forum for like.. almost a month. I mean its not hard to miss it either. Click here.


"Hello!" Josh yells and it echos, "is anyone in there?" Chase, we do have a twitter.

If there was a facepalm emote I'd use it. There has been huge talk about Atlas Linux OS, Eugene Nosko a.k.a Venux is working on Venux, I am working on Atlas Linux OS, big difference. I've only been talking about this OS in about every post I've made in the last...week. Head in the game buddy! Wakey wakey!

By the way, its Venux not Venus.

Links to Atlas Linux OS:
Post on Atlas
GCP Page

In reply to all of whats been said so far, this is yet another good example of what I've been saying for quite some time: WE NEED TRANSITIONAL PHASES!

People are not "synchronizing" because their thought processes seem to fall into one of the following:

- Acting as if Atlas City already exists physically and expecting 6.5 Billion People to just quit the monetary system "cold turkey".

- Projecting too much into the past with old paradigm thinking (ie: ego, focusing on problems instead of solutions, authoritative / subordinate illusory paradigm aspects making people feel as if its up to "a small group" to "lead the rest of us" completely missing Brad's "oneness point" that he has professed so many times that if people don't get it they were either asleep, in a cave or dead, etc).

- Acting as if a few yard sales will just fix everything. No offense, Josh -- but before we can do the whole pawn shop backyard basement donation drives -- the "thinking of atlas city" needs to be more synchronized. This is priority number one. Right now I see a whole lot of good ideas being messed up my a total lack of organization and everyone taking separate paths instead of working together. This is actually one of the primary goals of Atlas Linux. To adjust PEOPLES THINKING. To get them to think less in a "Microsoft Enslavement Mode" and more in an "Empowered RBE Resource Sharing Mode". So they can go from "eh we can't its too hard" to "sure, anything is possible! lets brainstorm!"

- I know Bret is a busy guy but he seriously needs to pay more attention around here. I feel he is very important to this movement. You also know how busy I get but I still remain in the loop and its very simply to do. You, I and EdenPrime keep in touch via e-mail, instant messengers, skype voice, etc... so when any of us have "busy moments" we can get the summarized punchline version of events from each other privately. The 3 of us work "as a team". We catch each other up to speed. People need to work together privately just as much as publically. Forums are a resource. A frame of reference point. The real team work isn't done in the forums. Its done through humans talking to each other about things on more personal levels. Brain storming in smaller groups then taking the end result back to the forums -- shooting it out there -- for all of the other groups to obtain, process and use that information. So far -- the three of us are the only "small group" within Atlas that I see actively doing this. Everyone else here seems to be talking about what they wish to see done. The three of us are actually getting some things done.

So I think we can jump-start the innovation by being what we believe. It does take time but its worked for me for quite awhile

Our (you, eden and myself) priorities are as follows:

- AOSDT Mission Statement (yes, i got your e-mail)
- Transitional Phases Guide (both long term and what "you the individual" can do in your life in your home RIGHT NOW regardless of whether you live in a city, the suburbs, on a farm, in a one bedroom apartment or a house. regardless of your finances, social settings or part of the globe you reside upon).
- Implementing these things ourselves, quantifying the validity of these things with proof (doing it ourselves and continuing to prove it all works as advertised) and encouraging others to do the same as we are (but without being pushy).

Well, since we seem to have a twitter NOW then I'd like to ask who started it? I haven't read anything on the forum about one actually being in use now, but I'm glad there is. Who is keeping up with it? It appears that someone wrote a few things two weeks ago, but nothing since then.

Josh, as for you being on the Committee you requested, you pretty much are. I forgot how to adjust everything and don't have the time to relearn the system right now so until I do or someone adds your name to that committee just assume you are a director. Really, it doesn't even matter who is named as committee leader unless there is a dispute. Otherwise, the only thing that matters is that people participate and encourage discussion/action. Even constructive criticism.

"First off, I must say, we need to pick up the pace."

As of today the future is closer than tomorrow.

Of course, AOSDT is always open to constructive criticism and I encourage people to post their ideas and anything else in the AOSDT area!

i agree with josh on this post, i was first introduced to the rbe system by him we have been friends for a few years now i know what he is saying seems a bit foolish but he is right we need to pick up the pace. from what i heard and have seen there has only been minimal activity within the acctual group, and what seperates us from the zietgiest movement is action and when we have stopped advancement we might as well be going backwards because it will take alot of willpower and motivation to get moving once again...i myself am a man of action.