Atlas City Project

The Atlas Open Source Development Team website is finally online and in its beginning stages. We welcome all to create an account. You don't have to be some uber-geek or gods gift to programming or any such thing.

The opinions and observations of others in regards to the various projects always will help to advance and inspire us and of course, all questions are welcome

aosdt.atlasinitiativegroup.info

Also an FYI:
Atlas Open Source Development Team is working on a legal torrent download/uploading/tracking website.

The Atlas Open Source Development Team torrent site is now online. Click here for the direct link!

You can also view more information on this topic by clicking here.

Josh, just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of this Torrent program and what will be the different when compared to other torrent programs?

Technically, it's not a program, its a website. Torrent tracking websites utilize torrents created by programs, but it's not a program.

The AOSDT torrent website is specifically designed and categorized for the RBE community and AOSDT software development community.

Eggsworth wrote:


I think I need to break down the difference between the AOSDT website and the BitTorrent Protocol.

BitTorrent is a means of transferring files. As you know, most sites have a file archive and the reasons and purposes for the existence of said archives vary, depending on the overall goal of the site.

Seeing as you already know the overall goals of AOSDT, I think what you may actually be attempting to ask is "Why is BitTorrent better than http, ftp and other standard file transfers? Whats so good about it? Why use it at all?"

Well, BitTorrent is the only true RBE File Transfer Protocol. It is in and of itself, a "oneness system".

The other protocols can be compared to the monetary and political systems of today. They expect one person or small group of persons to do everything, putting everyone else in a dependent mode of slavery.

When you download from a single site or server, it is the responsibility of that server to host and provide the file. This means bandwidth is not being used efficiently and an unnecessary burden is being placed on the server.

BitTorrent allows everyone to use the total sum of all bandwidth shared between everyone who is currently downloading the file. It's cloud computing at its finest. The website "doesn't actually host anything". The file being downloaded does not reside on the server at all. Instead, the server merely allows all of the downloaders to coordinate with each other.

When someone completes a download, they become what is known as a "seed" or "seeder". These are people who have "the whole file" and so they are able to share the whole file with the other downloaders.

"Peers" are known as people who have parts of the file to share, but they still do not have the entire file yet. What they have of it however is made available to everyone connected to that file.

Of course the only flaw in the architecture here is more of a human one than a software one. Because when you are "uploading something" to someone, the other person is "downloading". So this means that the more "upstream" bandwidth is shared, the total overall available downstream bandwidth is increased.

People who lack proper understanding of how BitTorrent work and do not share any upstream are what we call "leechers". They are people who take but are unwilling to contribute, because they do not understand the system of oneness. They do not understand that the more upstream people contribute, the downstream speeds increase for everyone connected to the file.

BitTorrent is seen by the powers that be as a serious threat to their systems of control, which is why they talk about BitTorrent using a political spin to discourage its use. They talk about it as if "its only used to transfer copyright infringed files" and that "you will get into trouble if you use it". This simply is not true.

Though it is the preferred choice of Internet Pirates, they prefer it because they understand the oneness system -- which is why most Internet pirates do their pirating in the first place, because they see anything which compromises freedom of information as being the true crime.

There is nothing illegal about BitTorrent itself, anymore than there is anything illegal about someone making a better wheel, or a better hammer or a better car, or an efficient and inexhaustible source of free clean energy.

The solution to "leechers" is simply policy. Many BitTorrent sites have a policy in which leechers are banned from the site. Many also have a policy where if you disconnect from a file too soon, you will be banned from the site.

I don't see us needing to go that far with policy, though. If people are serious enough to use an RBE Site in the first place, then chances are they understand the Oneness System enough to at least share a couple KBps of their upstream and not do any "hit and run" download and disconnect once they reach seeder status.

It would be wise for us in the future (seeing as BitTorrent is free and open source) to make our own version in which there is a minimum sharing requirement of 2KBps. This is not an unreasonable minimum requirement, as there are 1024KBps in a single MBps. So its like asking for 2 cents on a buck 24.

I've also had an idea where BitTorrent Protocol is used as an automated background service for web cache. You make a version of the protocol as a Firefox and / or Google Chrome Plugin.

When you visit a website, you are quite literally downloading it. You would not be able to see it otherwise. So this plugin would only download from the server if a torrent was not available for a file being downloaded. Otherwise, it would download from the site users which already have the files.

Instead of the BitTorrent Protocol seeing sharing on a "per-file" basis, it would take the overall shared upload bandwidth and evenly ratio it out between all of the files you have currently in your web cache. Seeing as this means each file would only receive a fraction of 1KBps of your shared bandwidth, the more popular a site becomes, the more BitTorrent User Bandwidth it would have available.

This is okay because it would solve a very common problem. Typically, when a site becomes "too popular" -- it needs to increase its available bandwidth and of course, this costs money.

So either the site admins know enough about marketing to get investors and advertisers on board to keep the site stable, or the site is bought out by someone else, or it simply dies.

This sort of BitTorrent Plugin would allow for the increase in popularity to also provide an increase in available bandwidth. A fraction of a KBps might not be much individually, but once you start racking up thousands and millions of users, it can make a huge difference.

I hope this clarifies how BitTorrent serves RBE,

I thought we had agreed that alternate atlas sites were not to be used? Am I out of the loop on this?

Atlas Open Source Development Team is its own group.

Atlas != Atlas Initiative Group

Atlas means:
1. a bound collection of maps.
2. a bound volume of charts, plates, or tables illustrating any subject.

(In AOSDT's case, Atlas symbolizes a collection of community written code.)

Although AOSDT can be found at aosdt.atlasinitiativegroup.info, we do not use the Atlas Initiative Group.info domain, as to prevent confusion (we seem to have done well with that so far).

AOSDT can be found at aosdt.org (still hosted on globalcommunityportal.com/team).

AOSDT Torrent site can be found at torrentz.aosdt.org

There is no "alternate atlas site". AOSDT is not Atlas Initiative Group nor is it affiliated with it. AOSDT may develop software to be used by Atlas Initiative Group if you so please, however the general idea is to make FOSS for the RBE society as a whole while enhancing seemingly lost, older technologies.

Rob, feel free to remove the Atlas Open Source Development Team forum area.

Josh,

I am confused why you are being so divisional/factional

If you wanted to start your own software company you should have made that clear from the beginning

I am just confused what the problem is with being a section of the Atlas Initiative Group?

Lets stand together...

"Most of our obstacles would melt away
if, instead of cowering before them,
we should make up our minds
to walk boldly [together] through them."

- Orison Swett Marden

Atlas Open Source Development Team is built under the Atlas name. if you no longer wish to use it we can put it up for someone else to be the organizer of. The committees are inseparable from Atlas Initiative Group Inc. , that would be like wal-mart saying that it's human resources division has broken off and formed its own corporation lol

if you want to be treated like an adult then please act like one. Stop trying to sheer of a part of Atlas and work with us.

Jinx wrote:


Atlas is a generic name and as such can not be copywritten. Atlas is the name which means a "map". Atlas Initiative Group is a copyrightable name. Atlas in and of itself, is not. That would be like trying to copyright the word SHOE. Or copyright a musical chord.

So please. There is no need for this. We are working in cooperation with Atlas. Originally we were intending to be the AIGOSDT (atlas initiative group open source development team) but seeing as there is too much "old paradigm mentality" around here, we decided it was SAFER to shorten it to ATLAS. Seeing as Atlas Initiative Group could have an alliance with Atlas Heating and Cooling, INC for all it matters.

Please do not make an issue where there is none. If you persist, I'll take this issue directly to Brett and have him have a more localized in person (or phone, or whatever) chat with you about it.

But don't take my word for it. Check the law online. Talk to a lawyer. Theres no laws prohibiting any of this. So you can either make a stink of it (which only makes you look foolish) or you can work with AOSDT, instead of against AOSDT. Your choice, Rob. I've nothing more to say on this.