Atlas City Project

hi all,

as you tell by the subject line the idea is about resource based groups,

this stems from an idea i had quite a while ago now but have had a hard time finding people who are interested in participating,

in essence the idea is somthing like this

you take 10 people
those 10 people would most likely have at least 5 square metres in their backyard currently doing nothing other than looking good...

10 X 5 = 50 square metres all up,

using 5 25cell(5X5 cells) hydro tables which are suitable for just about every type of fruit and veggie you can grow in your backyard

collectively you've got 1250 cells which should be enough to grow the majority of the fruit and veg for the entire groups needs,


the problem i've had is quantifying the requirements

how many of this how many of that... etc

ideally with 10 to 18 people you should be able to have an abundant supply of most of the fruit and veggies on a weekly basis
is this somthing people who like to do, even anyone in australia who would like to do it?

It's just a little small scale. It's great for small local groups to get together and do these types of things, however, if you can arrange them. I would recommend you look into local green groups, gardening groups, etc. This is for an entire city design.

the general idea is to form a behavoural template for groups of people which encourages people to do things for the group as a whole without the use of money, i just used growing fruit and veggies because it's the easiest to understand,the same idea can be applied in different variations to other things

the general point of the idea is the get people into a specific mindset, if an RBE or an Atlas City is ever going to be sucessfully built i think this kind of mindset is critical to success,

even if you had the money to build a nice big city and furnish it will everything required for hydroponics systems to basic manufacturing facilities CNC...etc, without the people going into it having the correct mindset and experience it's probably destined for failure

one thing i've noticed in the ZM and alot of others is that even with people being awakened to the reality of the monetry system they still think in terms of money, some sadly seem to think that the governments and power houses of the world are simply going to let somthing like this materialise,

being realistic i think these movements have done a tremendous job of awakening people to the reality of their lives, and full credit there, however i think they need to take another step back and see the bigger picture of reality,
they/we all need to:

properly evaluate what the goal is
properly evaluate where the group/movement is (location,mental state.... etc)
properly evaluate what is availble resource wise
properly evaluate what a realistic plan of action is to get to that goal based on the above

just my thoughts

I agree. I'm very grateful that so many great movies and books have been coming out to explain the concepts better. People in Atlas will, of course, need to be in the right mindset or they will do more harm then good. This is why people need to be actively participating, learning, and eventually take tests to make sure they are qualified for the limited space in the initial Atlas City population.

As soon as one of these cities is successful it will be easy to show people how to live in such a place. The best way to get people to understand (as humans commonly learn by imitation) is to lead by example. For those that choose not to alter their perceptions, they can stay in the current paradigms and actions they feel most comfortable in

i managed to get a message off to the "the machinist" at the ZM forums inviting him over here
so hopefully he'll show up in the next day or two,

just quickly on possible locations has anyone thought of places that are a little out of the box,

on one extreme there are a number of small very poor countries out there which would benefit and could potentially be converted into a working RBE there are quite a few island communities that only use money because it's been forced upon them, how did these communities function before money came about...?

on the other you've got the "french southern anarctic islands heard islands ..... temperature isn't that bad down there (tends to hang around 0C to 12C) however there is practically no one down there and no real government that cares enough to stop anyone, there is however an abundance of water and wind power potential and possibly geothermal power down there, the area is aparently rice in silica copper and iron

As for someone down under, if I remember correctly, I seem to recal this person was into that kind of thing, though I don't offhand have their contact details to hand, I think you can contact them via:

www.kiva.org/lender/ilija5133

I am keen myself to see things start small and grow, as well as develop big solutions.

Though myself, being poor and lacking in much garden space to speak of, let alone space that is secure, I think that may well be an issue for others too.

im building a small hydroponics system. i wouldnt mind sharing/giving away my food either - the only question is, can a hydroponics table work outside in vegas because of the large temperature variations?

in most areas hydro tables in combination with green houses can work very well, most plants provided they have water are usually happy in some of the hottest environments

i live south west sydney, i used to work on a seedling farm , all the lettuce tomato broccoli, grew quite well in temperature ranging from -5c right up to 40C ideally for tomato you should heat the green houses to some degree but that more about stopping the frost from burning them