Atlas City Project

Summery from Zeitgeist forum

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Atlas City will provide all kinds of entertainment for citizens and tourists. What would you like to see in Atlas City, to make it a fun place to live and visit?

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Music is a universal leisure that anybody (besides the deaf of course) can enjoy

More music and musicians I say!

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The lack of occupation will attract many artists who must find it difficult to sustain themselves in a monetary system.

But we should also make it a great priority to design an aesthetically pleasing city, one that is maintained very well, yet has a unique appearance. Extraordinary buildings, raised amongst the natural environment, built to co-exist with original occupants of the land, rather than tearing down the environment, destroying the ecosystem to make room for the human presence. I believe this will attract many people, if we can pull it off.

Our cuisine should attract travelers since our food will be made with foods grown in the immediate environment, without any chemicals.

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I think television should remain. It not only acts as a media to keep everyone updated through news it also keeps everyone updated on current scientific breakthroughs and many other uses. Tv is good except for in the monetary system it is used by the powers that be to brainwash the people

So we will provide quality, commercial free, programing, that is educational and the information is as accurate as possible. I imagine television in the future being entirely through the internet, as speeds continue to increase, we will eventually be able to stream HD movies through the internet, once this option is avialable, every person could make a channel if they desire.

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Music, fine arts, etc- always great, depending on how close we are to the city of Las Vegas we could also steal a lot of publicity on events such as First Friday and other festivals by hosting them.

TV, internet, game consoles- these are crucial to learning as well as brainwashing. Perhaps we could create our own scale (PG, PG-13, R), but on an educational level. I think that anything on MTV, VH1 or "reality" shows should be banned, however, for the pure stupidity the inspire.

Specialized buildings: I have a few thoughts

1. BRING BACK WET N' WILD!- this formerly great water park and other amusement parks are an idea. The issue would be that they can be expensive and take a bit of upkeep. I think at least a fairly large public pool with a few slides and toys near the center of town could be a fun attraction for locals and visitors. More extreme ideas could follow when it's more feasible.

2. Clothes Expo- this is an idea I was thinking for the city in general, but could hold outside appeal. It would just be like a large Goodwill store where citizens come to drop off their clothes they don't use and pick up new ones free of charge. This would lessen the need for outside clothing industry since when you get bored you just go trade in for something different. For outsiders, perhaps they can make even swaps for clothes as well, but it's mostly for the citizens of the city. These locations could double as a public clothes washer/dryer location and use waterless cleaners. This also saves on energy and water expenditures compared to each household being required to have their own units. To go farther, it can be thirdly used for a fabric recycling plant. Any ripped or old clothes and other fabrics can be sent here and turned into insulation, carpet or new materials.

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3. Parks/Recreation- should be numerous! I think nearly everywhere you step should be a pleasant place to all senses. Parks, flowers, walkways/bike trails and all forms of nature should be an integral part of every share inch of land. I want to smell different flowers in each block I stroll by, and with an efficient design it should not keep much if any upkeep. Picking the correct plants and trees for the desert environment would take care of itself. Personally, I would like to see gyms, jungle gyms, obstacle courses (think what you see in movies with military guys jumping over and through obstacles), artificial rock climbing walls (possible attached to inside/outside of the gym or other recreational building). I've seen cities designed with bike trails and runways attached to the roofs of houses and other buildings so they are on the second story and don't interfere or run into those on the ground floor just walking from one location to another. This also basically halves the amount of space required to have casual walking areas and trails. This usually also creates green roofs on the houses/structures that are connected which has many benefits.



AI homes- I'm torn with this idea. On the one hand, it's the high tech fancy type of design that is ultimately desired. It could help make everything in the home automated and simple. On the other side, many of these techs right now are very expensive and none are all inclusive. You may need a few systems to get all the software and engineering requirements done. I guess we can hope a satisfactory system comes out in the next few years (and is very likely to happen), but once again I fear that too much expense could make this city more difficult to create since it's the first of it's kind.

Convention centers, concert halls- could be used to attract all sorts of music and art groups. They could also be used for public educational lectures. Some of these topics would be important enough that I'm sure they will attract an outside group.

Workshops- I wasn't sure if these were going to be separated by specialty, included in the school building or what was the plan. We would need many many workshops for our different fields of study and creations/inventions. We will be dealing greatly with computer science, programming, robotics and many other fun and complicated fields. I have no idea how much room will be required for this, but hopefully some of you have some more input.

Sorry if it's a big long. Just wanted to get most out before I forget them. Please, I encourage all encouragement and criticism.

Discovering, learning, creating, sharing, developing and so on is the real entertainment, the real living. Almost anything can be entertaining once we get beyond the idea that we need to escape from the demands and costs that our current society push on us to live (survive). This will be more flushed out with a proper education system. A system that brings the sum total of society's current knowledge to each individual on their terms instead of caging them in social-economic boxes. It is sad and really wrong!
Smart homes, infrastructure and facilities is what will make this change possible. The key is to get access to current technology as a starting point for this project and then carry it forward. You mention cost and I have to pause because cost brings this back into the current society. I understand that there needs to be a transition but I look at it differently. Either you are inside or outside and from the inside noone owns anything and it (technology, information, ...) belongs to all of us. With this perspective, cost is irrelavent because ownership is a illusion.

"Music, fine arts, etc- always great, depending on how close we are to the city of Las Vegas we could also steal a lot of publicity on events such as First Friday and other festivals by hosting them".
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Ok im not lack of words superstitious, but dajavue happens. when i saw the first matrix it has an impact on me in many different ways. it just so happens im on a computer finding quite ironic. every thing here is very doable. walks in the parks out side the city in the gardens that include are fruits and vegies.

these are all ideas that as a city could improve if there is any improving on this issue. see some one might say "using water like that is wasteful"! like at what point is something could alive? to me whats more abundant and do we have enough energy for the world to use? WE need some STar Trek enthusiast here.

well musicians want to be heard. so as some people do exersize all the bikes,treadmills etc will be power supply for amps etc(all the gear).

KelleyMc wrote:


Ridiculous and impractical - people will ALWAYS own things that are exclusively theirs and this should not be discouraged. Sure, perhaps tech. and info is community property, but are you suggesting that literally EVERYTHING is community property? Or are you dismissing the concept of property entirely, and if so, why?

Curious to see your definition in comparison to KelleyMc. The only thing that I see can be considered "my" property would be purely sentimental. Clothes, tech, info, relationships (both friendly or physical) have no need to be horded. There just must be more mutual understanding.

The concept of property only has meaning within a monetary system, you exchanged something of value to get something you now regard as property, either that or you stole it.

In an RBE everything is free and unfortunately will be perceived as having no value, possibly leading to waste and reckless consumption, history teaches us that humans are very good at depleting resources, resulting in the current ecological timebomb, but the point is people will not regard many things as being property, if they lose it they will get another one.
Things for personal use will be considered personal property also things of sentimental value will be property things that someone made themselves will be property, a thing can remain in a persons possession for life or even generations but eventually it will find it's way back to the recycling centre.

In a transitional city the idea of ownership will result in people thinking they have the right to remove possessions from the city to sell for money outside, they might have the intention of becoming rich and buying things that may not be available in the city, or they might like the feeling of power they expect to feel if they were rich, it will take a generation or more to lose this reverence for money.

ENTERTAINMENT.

I doubt if many people will want to waste their life staring at a television.
Many films and television programmes are about money and if we want to raise children to have no interest in money we should not brainwash them with TV.

Physical activity, whether it is done for exercise, sport or pleasure could be done better, safer and occupying less space if it were done in a VR simulator.

Music, we will see a lot of people making their own music and we should have some sort of computerised quality control so people have some hope of finding something worth listening to, you can see this lack of quality on Youtube already.

Things will not be taken out of the city per earlier regulations, and there won't be waste because any great excess will be given freely to neighboring communities that are struggling (food, energy).

TV is not something that needs to be feared, but cherished. What needs to be our main strive is just getting away from all of the non-sense currently on it. Creating our own programming and using current educational programming can be very useful and even interactive.

On a side note, if I see one more offshoot of Flavor of Love or anything with stupid, yet sexy, beach goers (anything on MTV and VH1) I think I'll rip my hair out

ChaseD702 wrote:


Well, that's what I was getting at - everybody has interests, hobbies, areas of study, research, collecting, hand-me-downs, inheritances of personal items, etc. , etc. - the list is long. So anything pertaining to this is MINE and not considered community property??? So their is no illusion of ownership or certain things?? Ownership IS and always will be reality??? I don't see a need to even change this, or try.

And no, I'm no sharing my underwear with anybody else. It's mine, get your own. I mean seriously, you mentioned clothes. C'mon! It is impossible to undo ownership altogether and it would be counterproductive. That, or you will have one boring city. You will turn a lot of otherwise good people away - ownership and possession does not equal bad or selfish people. The city shouldn't strive to become Borg-like.

steve wrote:
I doubt if many people will want to waste their life staring at a television.
Many films and television programmes are about money and if we want to raise children to have no interest in money we should not brainwash them with TV[/quote]

Freedom of choice. If I want to rot in front of the TV, that's my choice.

steve wrote:Physical activity, whether it is done for exercise, sport or pleasure could be done better, safer and occupying less space if it were done in a VR simulator.[/quote]

No thank you, I'll take good, old outdoor mother nature any day. Sure, have the option. VR could be interesting for some.

steve wrote:Music, we will see a lot of people making their own music and we should have some sort of computerised quality control so people have some hope of finding something worth listening to, you can see this lack of quality on Youtube already.[/quote]

Define "quality control" - what you find worth listening to, another may find utter garbage. Please elaborate.

Dieter wrote:


Freedom of choice. If I want to rot in front of the TV, that's my choice.[/quote]

Yes, I'm not saying otherwise, but you may need to make your own programmes to having anything worth watching.



No thank you, I'll take good, old outdoor mother nature any day. Sure, have the option. VR could be interesting for some.[/quote]

There will be some sports facilities left over from the old system and they could be used.
People die very easily, how far should the system go to protect them, I know you have the right to risk your life but how would your family feel if you did not come back from your sporting pastime?, I think people will say "why did it happen, can't something be done to make it safer" I'm all for the darwin awards, but it just seems callous to let it happen.



Define "quality control" - what you find worth listening to, another may find utter garbage. Please elaborate.[/quote]

I would suggest a voting system, people who watch a program can award points on whether they thought it was any good or not, the more points a piece of work gets the more visible it becomes to people looking for something to watch or listen to, people could also write reviews, and everything could be minutely categorised so people with the most obscure interests can find the few things of interest amongst what could grow into a library of hundreds of millions of files.

On rotting in front of the TV - gotcha!

On sports - I don't we die all that easily unless we're stupid. Sure accidents happen, but how far do you want to take the nanny state? Certain precautions sure, but we must be somewhat left to our own devices and free will to choose as we wish. Like bike helmets - good idea? OF COURSE! But given the choice, I would not wear one. They are uncomfortable and ruin my hairdo. If I bust my noggin so be it! Providing the option and convincing me to use it is one thing - forcing me is another.

On "quality control" - I like it! Good ideas, I'd go along with that.

My concerns all stem from watching a city/system develop that aims to control because a few people *think* it is in the best interests of all, but of course that is merely the opinion of those few people. Any attempt at any type of city or economic system MUST maximize freedoms and allow full exercise of free will - provided it does not directly harm another individual.