Atlas City Project

I feel this needed a new thread anyway, but here are some more precise measurements and drawings to give an idea of what the requirements might be.



The 4 room is only in a small percentage of the buildings instead of two 3 room setups to accommodate unusually large families or families that culture dictates many generations live in the same house(or choose to). I tried to put bathrooms side by side and on top of each other as much as possible to make plumbing simple. The same was done with the kitchen being in the same corner in each plan.

The 1 foot gap between each floor has many purposes inside and out. Internally, it acts as a floor for one unit and a ceiling for the one below. In the ceiling is where the electrical and plumbing can run. Using ceiling tiles (same as found in many offices and schools) this could be a cheap, easy way to hide utility lines while still having them easily accessible for repairs. On the outside, it can be outfitted with a thin array of solar water heaters. It will, otherwise, just be exposed concrete and useless. This way we can further reduce water heating costs in each unit (times a few hundred or thousand units).

The 2 foot gap on the roof leaves 1 foot for the above mentioned plan and the top foot for rain/snow collection on the roof.

For the interior, I just drew what I could visualize might be good proportions, but this may turn out to be very different. For one, the sola-tube lighting may get in the way. I like the sunlight from the roof coming all the way down to the bottom floor. It has more rooms, thus blocks more natural lighting, so I thought this would be a pleasant way to get more natural light to the center of the bottom floor. Having it go through the other two floors makes calculations a little more tricky. It can't very well be in the middle of the room so I attempted to fit it next to a bedroom wall in each version until it opens up in the bottom story. This idea was not in previous sketches or discussions.

The dimensions are in feet, but if you remember your trig or conversion factors that can be changed. Also, these are not precise do to rounding off after the second decimal spot. I gave the measurements for the east/west floors and ceilings (different lengths because of the slant) and put the width as 45 feet for easy calculations. Adding an 8 foot stairway this gives a total length of 98 feet (if other stairs are external) or 116 feet (if all three stair cases are enclosed). So give this a try and let me know if you run into any problems.

Wow!!


now that rocks for a submission for a drawing request.

let me read and re-read this a few times and make sure i understand it and then either ask questions or draw.

Guess I just needed an hour to sit down and think it all through (I have to visualize everything), then put it to paper.

ChaseD702 wrote:
[quote]I feel this needed a new thread anyway, but here are some more precise measurements and drawings to give an idea of what the requirements might be.





okay, wait... now, this means i need to save at that development moment in order to design both of them in version, so thats important,... i was a little vague on that at first...





Thats obvious, good job...



You will find that i have been using .2 or .3 meters for my floor gap in the models already out there... same reasons...



okay, i will have to look again to make sure i parse that.




So you never did comment then on how well i interpreted solidity versus
transparency in the first version? Is that about right? It sounds like you want more transparency for the top roof? or roof/wall? i need i think at least a verbal transparency map here...or a column/ support map... one or the other?

how do you want this thing to stand or, ie, how do i pin up your floors?





I'm lost. what?





I wonder when i use autocads in feet version if sketchup will still shrink it
when i import it over.

hmmm.




I have perfect pitch and sing in five octaves and play the clarinet by ear.
I don't read music. I draw. I don't consciously do good math. Obviously
some part of my brain does pretty good math, i just can't manage to talk
math. Or think consciously about it. Anyhow. Brodmanns brain areas? digression? Nevermind?

It works best for me to see it and once i have it well visualized I just sort of build it.




I'm probably going to let the program help me cheat to not have to do most of that math any way all of the drag and clicking features should allow me
to use the most obvious points as references and then infer the rest.




Where is the stairway exactly now? I looked over the first time around and i missed it?
on one end?





okay, i will go look at the drawing again.

Too many things are still a bit unclear for me so I'm hoping to get a good bunch of clarification from you.

I think whats throwing me is that your floor plans aren't to scale.

Can you save this and then detail it for me?

especially those stairs?

Besides the stairs, what details are you looking for? I'll do my best to add them. There are three sets of stairs. One on the far east and far west walls, and the third between the second and third column (east stairs for east side buildings, west for west, and center for both of the middle columns).

The other version with the 4 rooms can wait. It is a secondary design in limited use, as there will also be a secondary design with elevators for the physically handicapped that can't make stairs. Like I said, I love this design because it is very versatile.

I guess I'm a little confused on what you mean. I'm guessing transparency being the ability to see through the walls in the visuals. As for this, I don't know how your program works or what is extensive. There probably should be a completely solid, a completely transparent, and possibly three or four others (one for each floor, only that floor transparent. Then again, a proper 2D would likely suffice for great detail and supplement for each floor having it's own. Josh did a pretty good job making some internal graphics based on a previous sketch.

The more rooms there are the more glass (therefor sunlight) they block from reaching the other main areas. With 3-4 rooms this can be a lot of blockage, dimming the other living areas. Sola-tubes (www.Solatube.com) puts a sunroof on the roof and reflects the natural light to deeper, dimmer areas of houses. I believe it's about 2 by 2 feet so even though it opens as a sunroof to the bottom floor, it must go through the first two floors to reach there.

ChaseD702 wrote:


How it pins up architecturally but thats my job.. but..theres got to be some mix between solid and transparent.

How did you like how i managed that the other time? If you like that as is,
then fine. You seem to be either wanting the roof transparent or using the term wall/ roof interchangably.

I also just realized that your numbering scheme threw me because it counts
one direction on way and one direction the other.






okay. Spiral staircase and circle? Long staircase pointed some direction?

Spiral square?

Where? exactly?

can you mark it on the top views?



Its very advanced for a 3 story design.



I have transparent shade modes and can look at slices of things in autocad but there is no real transparency in a photogenic sense until sketchup.

We can paint the model in sketchup a few different ways? Unless you are building out of all solid transparent hard plastic, some of the structure is the hard support structure and is opaque.




It will be neat when he and i meet more in the middle as well like that
and we start with him doing more interiors or others using similar programs to fill in other details and etc.



Okay i will click that in a sec..

I was planning on a basic, apartment style stair case (usually about 6-8 stairs going south, then doubles back north to connect to door. Repeat per level). They have to connect to the doors on the outside of each building, obviously, so I was just going to put them leading to doors in the center of each building (east or west side). This will likely change as the interior structure shifts to fit everything. I'm still not quite sure about this setup. If it was shifted more to one side then there would be more room for water purification, electric, etc. in the space not taken by the stairs. The issue here is that shifting too much to one side or the other will mess up the bedrooms and areas near the door inside the unit.

solutubes seem redundant with as much light access as i have put on the model.

I mean its sort of a window thrown over a skeleton the way i did it, because i
figured that was what you were aiming for.

but if you want one at least now i know what it is and i think that clears up the other bit of confusion.


where you want the tubes in the floor plans? That doesn't seem well marked to me either?

I'd assume as close to central as possible??

ChaseD702 wrote:


Okay thats represented in the basic sense as a box or rectangle with a slash through it and a capital letter S marking it.






Remember those side bulges i had the square ones for the entry on the other model? This houses the entry and the stair case and helps keep the interior insulated when you open the doors.

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Lets go one thing at a time and put the locations of those things off for now.



Well, theres always basements and utility sheds. I lived in a house for a short while that kept all of the utilities in one shed like that.

Sure beat having plumbers and electricians traipsing about the place.
?

Agreed. The bubble area is perfect. Keeps stairs from becoming dirty or slick with water, and prevents what I call the "fridge effect" of your cool air rushing outside when you open the door. So having the bottom floor being nearly 50 feet wide, and the stairway only taking a square of about 8*8 feet, that leaves a lot of potential storage space. Water filtration will need to be cleaned out occasionally, battery storage may be used as well. Good reasons to keep these areas in the maintenance section and away from inside the peoples homes.

So I am seeing the utility shed on the north side, near the middle, outside.
I made it boxy and irregular but it won't look like that in the model...

And a miniature stair tower and entry porch as black boxes.

Is that working for you?