Atlas City Project

Hey guys-

I have many passions etc.. my current career revolves around Network Engineering. I know from a Networking perspective we need to begin thinking about what we will need Infrastructure wise for Atlas City. I am already conceptualizing how vast and grand of the Network Infrastructure will be needed for a city. Either way I just wanted to bring this topic up. I'd like to be involved in many aspects. The Network Infrastructure being one of them.

Hey Jon, great to you have on board!

Hey,

I have networking background too with CCNA, and net+ certs as well as associate level college education and would love the chance to use my skills for a productive means rather than wasting my education away playing video games.

Trying to wrap my head around what the topology/Managerial Flow of a city's network would be i keep coming back to the same question.

Other than supplying network drops for users, what purpose would a city network be vs. Duties of private industry eg. isp's?
ex, DNS and DHCP Services, Protocol resource allotment, Content Filtering, Wireless MAN management(?), User Management, Traffic Monitoring, Voice support, or Bandwidth management just to name a few...

If this has been discussed already or is not in the correct scope of what you guys are looking for let me know so i can refine my ideas.

Cheers
MC

o and P.S. Chase i promise ill get around to watching the vids, maybe we can do it tomorrow or friday as those are my days off.

Welcome guys and Chris since the concept is being pioneered by this group and a few others pretty much everything is open to discussion and scrutiny and critical thinking and being creative in all ways. You are essentially being handed a clean white board to start drawing on. The city will have a central mainframe and theres lots and lots of ideas all over this site and other sites too. You have some reading to do =) but have fun and split time between reading and playing with ideas.

When you are ready you can get on the wiki and join in there and help work on the manual for the city design and all aspects of it. It will start in broad scope and zoom all the way down to the most technical writing of the smallest details in the city.

I recommend you also look into the Venux Operating System. It's kernel is currently in development, and soon the GUI for the Venux Explorer will start. I hope this is the system that gets fully integrated into the Atlas City, as its rather flexible as a system in what it can do.
http://rbefoundation.com/document.php?id=2

I think Atlas Initiative should run like a gigantic internal network, all problems stay isolated to one city, however its interconnected with other cities and their networks for a 24/7 FTP-Based Information Sharing (for a Knowledge Database), unless you know of a better way to transfer files and information faster, however I think its the actual networks and speed capabilities that slow things down when transferring via FTP.

Content Filtering supports censorship, at times its understandable such in the case of pornography, extremist sites, etc but generally I think the network itself should be extremely limited in what it will censor.
What do you mean by Voice Support? For the network or for us?

If we to run our own ISP, bandwidth management would not be needed as (if the bandwidth was to get too high and the network possibly crash) we would just simply add a new server and ports to it.

I looked into it the other day, read about 1/3 of the documentation at work the other day and i havent formed an opinion on the operating system as of yet.



Yes we could run our own isp for the city, most city's have multiple isp running within their networks(or should i say bell's networks if anyone knows anything about the original cabling of city's). if we are going to be an island(a network with little to no outside communications outside its own scope) that would be very possible. In order to provide the simplest service eg the internet we would need some communication out and access to a domain repository eg .com .net .gov .nz .mil you get the point.

ooo and i almost forgot,
ha phones silly, got to have phones and they can be tricky to plan and voip is not always the answer. our voip pbx at work fails me all the time it leaves circuits open causing a end user to hear a busy signal on DSN(digital switch networks) and dead air when calling the number from other VOIP carriers.

imm gunna play with some publisher and draw up some ideas, ill post back later... and may need help setting up the imgs.... total noob i know...

Cheers
MC

I was thinking that the internal city infrastructure network could be an island with the entire thing operating on a different frequency all together to prevent outside computers from tapping our network, then you can have your normal PC's that are linked to the outside world so no one loses touch with good ol mummy. The houses though will each have a built in computer system that are all linked together which are all linked back to the main hub

Alright,

I made this simple img to demonstrate a logical grouping of different objects needing to be on the network with respect on how they can communicate with one another. If you guys are unaware what network clouds mean they just stand for undefined groups of sub networks.








So why dont i get into explaining the pic... so everyone can be on the same page. this is a basic forest with the different sub domains. The purpose of dividing up the different types of objects is they are easily managed and services can be adjusted to fit the specific needs to the respective networks. eg, you dont need to give residential users 50mbps throughput per house. And also this way specific networks can be designed and modified inside their respective cloud without effecting the whole.

I got this idea when doing research for my business class in college where we had to start a simulated corporation and my naive ass picked a isp...

This structure is similar to how cox divides its own networks up per city/town all the way to neighborhood. ill give you an example.... ip70-173-56-196.lv.lv.cox.net is the full path to my home network tunneled through cox's network. as you can see it starts with the dns repository "net" continues to the cox domain "cox" then is routed to the correct sub network "lv" and "lv" again and then to my unique hostname on the network "ip70-173-56-196"

Hope everyone understands.... i have trouble explaining things sometimes so ask away or give me some feedback so we can proceed farther down the rabbit hole

Cheers
MC

Luckily, for us there won't be a "government" and probably no "commercial" sections. I know, it's just for a visual aid of how things are run now. Just saying

When the utilities main is built, it could contain optical fibre netwoks running at 10Gb, multiple networks each dedicated to a specific use.

Networks.

1. internet
2. edunet
3. sensornet
4. city control network
5. entertainment network
6. intranet not connected to internet
7. reserved for future use
8. rfu

I don't understand what half of those are

There are many networks to reduce the possibility of overload and slowdown which is common with today's internet.

Sensornet connects all city sensors to a network of computers that know what the physical state and requirements of the city are at any moment, think of smart dust, if part of the city is damaged or wearing out to the point of failure, the computers will know about it and schedule repairs before it does fail, if there is a water leak, it will be detected and repaired before it becomes obvious to people.

City control network, the city will contain thousands of microprocessors controlling electrical devices, (some of which will also contain their own sensors), this network allows computers to command those MPU's without hindrance from other network users.

Intranet is an internal internet which cannot be hacked by external internet users and which when a user does a search, will not produce millions of unwanted results.

Entertainment network will be moving terabytes of data for films, tv programmes and music everyday, which would slow down any network for other uses.