Atlas City Project

I did this back a bit ago.

It may not be what you would like to see. Let me know.

whoever has admin powers, please reset the image file higher, this sucks to always keep resizing images...

let me know if i should bother posting the rest of this set.

The image loader sucks. I think there was a reason we couldn't set it too high, though I can't remember what it was. I like this design for the aquaponics main tower. I'm assuming the middle is for the fish breeding and the outer layers are for plants? The size and number of towers will depend on if it's easier to have one large, city-wide tower or several smaller ones around town. The only problem I see is that an entire side will be blocked from natural light by the center pond (if that's what that is meant to be). Any ideas?

ChaseD702 wrote:


It could go that way. Different crops require different amounts of light, the ones that require the most get south facing and nearest to the porch ledge.

There are a lot of things that grow fine without direct sunlight, which evolved on the floors of woods, so you can go pretty deep and keep growing.

The center I had imagined was more of a processing area and potted plant
nursery, with an inner circle equal to living room space or residences.





Thats certainly one way to go.




Well, it goes up as the population increases, so its really a stage or phase of growth question where you start with just one such tower and end up with a large assortment of them, probably near the periphery as per
the permaculture zones.







Glorious views, party habitats, mushrooms, bird and bee keeping, People will think of ways to use the unused spaces, especially if we prompt them with a few good examples.

These are definitely some interesting designs. I suppose things like bee keeping and other odd jobs will, eventually, become something we would want. How to do so safely is a whole other issue for later. I do see it easier to make several smaller ones. Larger buildings require more supports which means more cost. Around each tower will be a farmers market setup so the food doesn't need to be transported anywhere. People just come and get their veg straight from the farm.

builders, or the scalar paradox.

For instance.

Windmills. too small a windmill and the energy you get is neglible.

Big big windmill gets enough energy to offset costs. So everybody wants BIG
windmills, not small ones, for reasons some people might miss lacking some
engineering understanding.

For instance. Geothermal power. Installation costs equal to putting in an oil well and much less than nuclear power. BUT; same thing. In even more
exotic scalar detail. The larger you go, the more yield you can get per installation cost investment.

1 million dollars gets you a geothermal power station comparable to that
100 thousand dollar windmill farm.

But ten million dollars gets you a geothermal power station comparable to a small nuclear power station,

And a hundred million gets you a geothermal power station comparable to
the most powerful nuclear reactors on earth.

For instance;

High rise and high density building or systemic stacking or vertical stacking.

Its too expensive to be feasible early on in a growth experience. But inversely, the higher(and lower) you go, the better your long term investments are for your civilization and the higher returns you get for organization of your city. It costs more; but the investment returns are organizational power multiply exponentially.

In each case the obvious answer does exist.

Always make the big windmill. Start with just one.
Use solar for the very small and portable electrical uses.
Build up between solar and wind until you can afford geothermal.

Start your building of a new city as a total new civilization and realize its capital and building power are relevant to the size it already is.

Growth must happen along an elastic stretch bellcurve.

So stage zero is the internet,
stage 1 is a seed village with 3- 5 story tall buildings,
stage 2 is 10-25 story tall buildings,
and stage 3 takes us into the realm of the truly ultra tall.

This tower. You only build just one until you need another one, and that won't be for a while.

hmm, the thing about agricultural buildings is that you would want to take advantage of sunlight as much as possible.

you could accomplish this by having a small building diameter, therefore allowing all of the floor inside to be hit by natural sun.

could the building be shrunk down diameter wise?

> the thing about agricultural buildings is that you would want to
> take advantage of sunlight as much as possible.

That is my thought too, I more imagine this kind of building:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1025689/Welcome-Thanet-Earth-The-biggest-greenhouse-Britain-unveiled.html

That would be nice if we had endless space. Space constraints make vertical farming the only logical alternative.

im sorry that greenhouse in unbelievable

wow...

that would be nice to have, but building up would have been more space efficient

More about the Thanet hydroponics here:

www.thanetearth.com

Building up concerns me that there won't be enough light. (Unless we are talking artifical lighting, in which case we might consider building downwards..)

There are ways to deal with that. You can tube in light, and you can go up
and only do serious agriculture on the south facing side.

Something to think about, because thats a lot of land use, and you could stack all of that grow space into a foot print a tiny fraction of that by
going up.

Once the geothermal power station comes on line, internal artificial light won't be an issue either.

The main issue we had with going downwards in previous discussions was the magnitude of the buildings. They would require to be completely artificial light instead of a hybrid system above ground. Building down is also much more expensive in digging and materials (you have to support not only the weight on top of a room, but the sides due to Earth pressing in).